"In the Wrong Hands" Mk. 2

[PaulR]

Meanwhile, we have a bigger potential problem on our hands: the police want section 58 repealed, and it looks like they've got the Evening Standard batting for them. http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/ga ... 67108.html

"They are exploiting legislation allowing people to own firearms legally if the weapons are classified as “antiques”, according to police and officials.

The guns — which detectives say are lethal weapons — are brought from Europe, where they are easily and legally bought at antique arms fairs. Police say they are also being traded in the UK on the internet, with gang members receiving them in the post.

Among them are high-powered weapons such as a 1935 Browning Hi Power pistol — versions of which have been used by the British Army until recently — and the classic Webley Mark VI revolver from the First World War."

Are they suggesting that P35s and Webley Mk VIs are antique? Carp!

[PaulR]

The Thompson and the Uzi are interesting, I'd like to see if they're both original and functional.

There is something odd about the Thompson, can't quite put my finger on it, is it the Pistol grip, Plastic, wrong colour, not sure.

Both could be de-acts of course, but even if they were, The Sun would try and have us believe they could be re-activated in the boot of a car in 2 minutes flat in a Motorway Services by some bloke they met in a pub!

[HALODIN]

I can positively identify 7 of those pictures as airguns. I suspect all of the scoped rifles are airguns as well. Whilst an airgun in the hands of a criminal can be dangerous, it's highly unlikely to be fatal and so for the MET to portray all of these as lethal weapons is p*** poor.

[Blu]

PaulR.

There is something odd about the Thompson, can't quite put my finger on it, is it the Pistol grip, Plastic, wrong colour, not sure.

It's missing the fore grip under the barrel. Is it that perhaps?

Blu

[Demonic69]

There's another post about the exact same thing where a few are questioning the "haul"

I don't read my own signature!

[Fedaykin]

Second time in the last 12 months I have seen the police make a press release at the time of a major haul going on about Section 58. Section 58 was a major bete noire of ACPO, interesting that the MET feed the press a story just after ACPO has been wound up. That guy making 3D printer parts led to the police going on about section 58!

Aside from this haul of guns by in large being airguns and there being question marks over the guns like the apparent Uzi and Thompson the fact that the police has yet again wilfully fed the press inaccurate information about the legalities is extremely worrying. Some of the inaccuracies are not only shocking but also designed to whip up public fears!

Of course the obligatory mention of Dunblane yet no exploration of police mistakes in those events. Also they say all pistols were banned which is not true, we lost .22lr later and there are a number of exemptions that allow limited pistol ownership humane dispatch, black powder, section 7 that prove that the ban was a knee-jerk reaction. Just like the SLR ban!

What was all the guff about Browning Hi-Powers soon fulling under section 58 as if there was some kind of arbitrary date whereupon they change their status like classic car tax! You are never going to get a working Browning Hi-Power as a section 58 so the police feeding that idea to the press is clearly designed to whip up public fears!

But the thing that made my draw drop was this statement from Clive Robinson of the National Ballistics Intelligence Service:

“Criminals are finding it difficult to acquire modern weapons so they are having to find alternative sources of supply such as antique weapons.

“We are finding criminals with a knowledge of the law. They recognise that they can carry these weapons with little or no risk of jail.”

It is so staggering you need a moment to let it sink in! The idea that if you get caught by the police carrying a section 58 pistol you will some how just get a slap on the wrist and be allowed on your way is staggering! If it is loaded we are talking statutory jail sentences! Actually you would probably do time if it wasn't loaded and you didn't have good reason to be transporting it!

It was the National Ballistics Intelligence Service along with their ACPO cheerleaders who were going on about section 58 a few months back! The thing is if you look at the statistics it is clear, use of guns in crime is tiny and the use of section 58 is virtually non-existent!

This is a clear hatchet job by the police off the back of a scary looking haul of air rifles and air pistols.

[PaulR]

PaulR.

There is something odd about the Thompson, can't quite put my finger on it, is it the Pistol grip, Plastic, wrong colour, not sure.

It's missing the fore grip under the barrel. Is it that perhaps?

Blu

Thanks Blu,

I realize that most of the woodwork is missing apart from the pistol grip. The fore grip obviously requires removal of screws take it off but as it looks like an M1928A1, the stock is quick detach.

It's more the colour. Looks very like an old Japanese MGC manufactured replica (I have one) although it's difficult to make out any details in the icon size photos.

As Fedaykin, the grouping of air rifle/pistols and antique Adams? pistol frames together multiple times is an amateurish attempt to further manipulate the general perception of firearms in this country.

If any or all the stuff turns out to be illegal then publish the photo's of those and bang the owner up, good collar. However, if they all turn out to be legal, this will get quietly brushed under the carpet to join the '3D Printer Arms Factory' and the Mick Shepherd stories with no apologies.

[huntervixen]

The sheeple don't care about the truth Blu, it would mean facing facts and reality. Much better to keep up with the Kardfatssians and footie.

They believe the newspapers, there's no hope for them.

Goes back to what I said earlier, the media should be MADE to print truth not lies fed by ignorant journalists or gong seeking highwanking plods (think Elmer Fud voice there) who should be sacked for impersonating a police officer.

A BIG +1 to that "sheeple" In a nutshell, that's the problem..... We live in an environment largely populated by fat, ignorant selfish people, just too stupid and lazy to think for themselves, and very happy to be led by the nose.

Just look at the endless reality, singing, dancing on ice turd thats fed to us on the TV these days, if you believe the viewing figures, the general public can't get enough of it apparently!

They will soak up any message fed by the left or right leaning media/politicians and take it as true, a quick read through that article shows what lies are typically spoon fed to joe public on a daily basis, by a reporter who clearly spent 30 seconds googling the subject before putting pen to paper.....never let the truth/facts get in the way of a good story.!

Many years ago (back in the 80's), a student friend of mine was convinced that one day "the British people will rise up and overthrow the state".....after much laughter I said, all they have to do is threaten to take foote of the TV and the great British public would do anything it was told....true then as it is now!

The clear message from big brother is FIREARMS ARE EVIL AND EVERYONE WHO OWNS ONE IS DERANGED AND DANGEROUS Now the great unwashed have got that message loud and clear.......

I am glad we have people like Gaz in the shooting community, who tries to hold back the endless tide of bias crap and tell our side of the story!

[dromia]

FIREARMS ARE EVIL AND EVERYONE WHO OWNS ONE IS DERANGED AND DANGEROUS

We even have shooters saying that now!

[huntervixen]

You must admit Adam.....you do look dangerous in that picture......is that a smile or a menacing glare :lol: