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Dougan wrote:

Jenks wrote:Then if it will work surely it is logical to do it. Why do you and the other 100,000 + not rail against the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of rats annually? Most of these die a horrid death from taking poisoned bait. but these aren't photogenic creatures are they?

Actually many do 'rail against' this - I've said at least 3 time on the forum that the way we consistently fail to secure our waste properly (both commercial and domestic) is the cause of many rat infestations...and that we again find killing to be the easy and convenient solution....

Jenks - you only listen to and cite information that backs your personal argument....

...this site http://www.tbfreeengland.co.uk/ which you posted on the other badger thread, looks to be independent, but if you look closely you'll see it's actually an NFU website....And Defra are a government organisation, paid for and responsible to the government, who's biggest stakeholders are farmers....

...the scientific evidence supplied by the above, even though biased, still isn't very supportive...and studies by independent scientists reckon the success of a cull to be around a 16% reduction of bTB for about 100 000 badgers killed...

Jenks - I'd be more likely to give you opinion credence if you stopped citing the opinion of the Government, farmers or mad old women.....

Dougan..

or mad old women..

Although you don't mention her by name, I think it fair to assume you are referring to Clarissa Dickson Wright. I'm a little puzzled at you apparent hatred of her. In the article about her that I linked to, not once did she say that she was in favour of a badger cull, she merely suggested that it might be preferable to eat them rather than discard them to landfill.

I would also like to point out that at the age of twenty one she passed the necessary exams and became the youngest barrister this country has ever had. She has an I.Q. of 169 so stupid she is not. She travels extensively and has many friends from all walks of life. Although I think of her as a friend, acquaintance would probably be a mor accurate description. I frequently share a cup of coffee with her when she visits a mutual friend. She is a true country woman with a considerable knowledge of country matters enjoying field sports. Perhaps another reason you dislike her. She is a wit and raconteur I'm sure were you to spend a little time in her company you would probably change your opinion of her.

Jenks

Chapuis wrote:Do McDonalds now sell badger burgers then ????

I suspect that if Badger turned up, they would sell him one.

Jenks wrote:Jenks - I'd be more likely to give you opinion credence if you stopped citing the opinion of the Government, farmers or mad old women.....

Dougan..

or mad old women..

Although you don't mention her by name, I think it fair to assume you are referring to Clarissa Dickson Wright. I'm a little puzzled at you apparent hatred of her. In the article about her that I linked to, not once did she say that she was in favour of a badger cull, she merely suggested that it might be preferable to eat them rather than discard them to landfill.

I would also like to point out that at the age of twenty one she passed the necessary exams and became the youngest barrister this country has ever had. She has an I.Q. of 169 so stupid she is not. She travels extensively and has many friends from all walks of life. Although I think of her as a friend, acquaintance would probably be a mor accurate description. I frequently share a cup of coffee with her when she visits a mutual friend. She is a true country woman with a considerable knowledge of country matters enjoying field sports. Perhaps another reason you dislike her. She is a wit and raconteur I'm sure were you to spend a little time in her company you would probably change your opinion of her.

Jenks[/quote]


Hate is a strong word, and wrong in this instance - In the past I may well have liked to have met her...but not now.

She didn't say she was in favor of the cull, and she didn't say she was against it either - that's because like you say, she's quite intelligent...she was well aware of how controversial the subject is, and used it for her own promotional purposes....

...If you don't think that she approached her usual press contacts, and said something along the lines of 'I'll give you a nice little story if you mention my new book', then you're naive...

Anyway you've clearly been dazzled by her obvious charm and beauty, so I won't upset you with further comment on her - so I'll re-phrase the last sentence of my previous post...

... I'd be more likely to give you opinion credence if you stopped citing just the opinions of the Government, farmers or those with a commercial interest.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/ ... story.html

Interesting to read the different point of views, especially in this case where both point of views come from farmers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/d ... sfeed=true

I still maintain that the culling was the easy way out for DEFRA.
Instead of pointing the blame at the badgers make sure that the farming methods are clean and sterile as they should be and do the necessary check ups.

Well oomans we're back from our tour of the clans - Badger McBadger of the Clan Badger looked after us royally, plenty of neeps, tatties and Falling Down Water to consume as Auld Alliances were cemented and contingency plans made.

Now, can someone refresh our memory ? Why do farmers get compensated when they fail to look after their stock properly and it dies? Are any other tradesmen gifted coppers from our purse when they fail, be it from incompetence, ill fortune or Act of God? Wouldn't good husbandry and insurance be a better solution than pickpocketing the tax payer ?

*dons flack jacket*

christel wrote:http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/ ... story.html

Interesting to read the different point of views, especially in this case where both point of views come from farmers.

Jenks, you need to read this - He's saying all that we've been saying about, the price of milk, supermarkets and farming practices....And his credentials as an experienced dairy farmer are good...

Jenks wrote:
Then if it will work surely it is logical to do it. Why do you and the other 100,000 + not rail against the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of rats annually? Most of these die a horrid death from taking poisoned bait. but these aren't photogenic creatures are they?

You say.... ''just do not think it sounds right.'' with respect is it logical to be for or against a policy because it doesn't sound right. Now that really is illogical.

Did you look at the videos of farmers on the site I linked to, who in spite of their best efforts and farming practice are still getting reactors and having to slaughter them.

Once again........ The Badger is not an endangered species and has no natural predators it should be subject to control. As with Deer. Culling is the LOGICAL answer.And that is the conclusion of DEFAs scientists.

Jenks

The amount of rats you mention ought to be an answer in itself, if we had that many badgers on the loose I would actively encourage a cull because that is simply not sustainable nor healthy for its surroundings.

Why is it illogical to be against or for something because of the way it sounds to that person? One does not have to have a university degree nor in depth knowledge in order to have an opinion.

I would like to examine the farmers' approaches and techniques closer in order to understand why they have to slaughter their animals.

Interesting concept, about managing the badgers as we do with deer. I could be wrong saying this however I think that the majority of deer in the UK live in man managed environments and as such need culling in order to prevent damage to the investment (woods) whereas badgers live in mainly free nature?

Logical answer, because that is what DEFRA states...so no thinking outside the box?

Gents your wasting your time........

Jenks wrote:bloody environmentalists.

Normally people call me tree hugger...