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dromia wrote:Thank you for that clarity.

Concerning the training record, what about all those shooters who never did a course as they were grandfathered onto the system when it was brought in?

You would sensibly assume that if they were safe to that point, they were OK. A lot of it was covered during probation and in fact in some NSRA clubs the probation period can be skipped if you show suitable evidence of experience etc. Mine was in fairly short order Adam. If you have had it on one card it should be on record and carry on.

I never had any training either but was trained to train the Army, so I guess that means something to anyone but the NRA.

Perhaps but as this is really about arse covering and blame in the event of an accident then the actual safety capacity of the shooters is a moot point.

dromia wrote:Perhaps but as this is really about arse covering and blame in the event of an accident then the actual safety capacity of the shooters is a moot point.

Well yes, an assessment of sorts would seem to make sense. There seems to be some sort of caveat with shooting so many comps etc as well, but this does not make you safe, just lucky.

Maggot wrote:
Well yes, an assessment of sorts would seem to make sense. There seems to be some sort of caveat with shooting so many comps etc as well, but this does not make you safe, just lucky.

One NRA comp a year in that particular discipline, I believe.

RDC wrote:

Maggot wrote:
Well yes, an assessment of sorts would seem to make sense. There seems to be some sort of caveat with shooting so many comps etc as well, but this does not make you safe, just lucky.

One NRA comp a year in that particular discipline, I believe.

Theoretically - but if its the Imperial TR then thats 18 or so comps ~21 shoots, not 1 & if its CSR then thats 5-6 shoots per session 6-8 sessions & if its 22 long thats 3 shoots. etc etc - Seems reasonable to me?

My local club (nra affiliated) was unable to certify me for HME, so i did it through the nra at bisley, when i got my card from the nra it included the other certifications from my club.

hitchphil wrote:

RDC wrote:

Maggot wrote:
Well yes, an assessment of sorts would seem to make sense. There seems to be some sort of caveat with shooting so many comps etc as well, but this does not make you safe, just lucky.

One NRA comp a year in that particular discipline, I believe.

Theoretically - but if its the Imperial TR then thats 18 or so comps ~21 shoots, not 1 & if its CSR then thats 5-6 shoots per session 6-8 sessions & if its 22 long thats 3 shoots. etc etc - Seems reasonable to me?

CSR shoot 2 or 3 matches a day in the 7 day winter league, sometimes 4 in the imperial over 5 days including the methuen and the falling plates (the latter you can shoot loads if you win...we did...and as an example it was the first time I was picked up for not having my safety set on an empty rifle but its in the book, cant do it with the AR as it wont set unless made ready), and we shoot umpteen practices under match conditions in the clubs, but it makes no odds.

The fact you may get through a season carrying a dangerous practice (such as loading with the working parts to the rear with an AR) without being caught does not make you safe. The only person who sees you doing what you are doing is your safety bod who is THE real link in the safety chain as the RCO can only take your indication. Thankfully the CSR scene has a mandatory safety brief that explains exactly what is required and what Load/Unload/Ready and make safe mean. The safety bod is an important link and this is why inexperianced or "new to CSR" shooters are squadded with old hands so that at least one of you should have the nouse to pick someone up. In the heat of competition things may get missed but the fact is that people need regular reminders otherwise they go on autopilot. Its why in the aviation world we have standards and check rides, to detect and eradicate nasty habits. Thankfully the sport in general is quite safe until you forget it can be dangerous.

For all its detractors, CSR does have those extra safeties built in

Pete wrote: I may be wrong, but I think this was imposed upon the NRA, rather than cooked up by them.
Pete

Yes, my impressions too.
It was apparantly a compromise to allow us incompetent civvies on MoD ranges after the MoD wanted to ban access following an 'incident' not involving a civvie.

dromia wrote:Thank you for that clarity.

Concerning the training record, what about all those shooters who never did a course as they were grandfathered onto the system when it was brought in?

If you are found unsafe & no training record, the club chairman will have to explain signing you off as a safe shooter.

toffe wrapper wrote: If you are found unsafe & no training record, the club chairman will have to explain signing you off as a safe shooter.

So should clubs be getting their members with 50+ years of shooting behind them to go through some level of evaluation - even if only for backside-covering purposes?