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rox wrote:

Grahamcs wrote:Bondage gear?????????

Derogatory term for Olympic-style shooting with canvas/leather/synthetic jacket and sling.

Doh... and what did we forget in the list Gaz?

Swarfega, Ball bearings and latex

Sorry....

Steve E wrote:why the hell do you need a muzzle brake or moderator on a .223 or .308 ?. If 14 year old school girls can shoot a .308 Target rifle without these devices and achieve a place in the Queens Final during their first years shooting then no adult needs them. Man up and learn to shoot properly. Use a shooting jacket, glove and sling and you will have NO recoil to worry about.
Be aware that if you fit a 'brake and your muzzle blast is annoying shooters on firing points either side of you, then you have to wait to shoot until they have finished. Personally i would ban muzzle brakes on all ranges.

And Steve would know...he's exe crabfat!!!

They wipe the toilet seat first you know.....we just licked the bowl (bugger, that's let the cat out of the handbag )

If you're not going to be lugging it about a field just put a sound moderator on it, everybodys happy!

Blackstuff wrote:If you're not going to be lugging it about a field just put a sound moderator on it, everybodys happy!

and if you are lugging it then just make sure its a light moderator

Grahamcs wrote:It was behaving like the first video

......and it didn't hurt!

I was hitting 7's on the target at 100m which isn't bad for me.

I guess shooting prone it wouldn't do this with all my weight behind it!

Is that second video a 308?

Brilliant

when shooting prone stock design and fit can make an awful lot of difference, my sporting weight .308 is a pussycat even without a moderator, although if you don't load it up, the whole plot likes to jump around a bit (technique solves this)I have managed 200 rounds through it in a day without bruisingon the other hand our club .308 will rattle your fillings out !! even though it is heavier !and 50 rounds can be a trial. a Lee Enfield or K31 or any of the battle rifles of the period will be quite shootable for the average person even though they have brass or steel buttplates (not shock absorbing so much as shock transfering )
personally I would try a selection of rifles if you can and see if you can get some pointers on shooting positions, this is not an insurmountable problem

I find an Enfield and K31 to be a nice push whereas a K98 or Mosin-Nagant seems more snappy. I actually shoot the Mauser with a 'wuss pad' as I find it too much for me in any shooting position.

The same difference in kick can actually be seen with different types of 308/762 ammo. MEN is very snappy for example but something like PPU 308 or GGG isn't.

As for muzzle brakes, I have one on my 308 and find that it makes a difference to muzzle climb. You can watch for the bullet impact through the scope which is essential in the field firing shooting that I do. Having been in the same trench as a 338LM and also a .50 I fully understand why people don't like brakes. I think that people just need to be considerate of others and have sufficient separation at places like Bisley etc.

All good info guys

Thanks

Charlotte the flyer wrote:OMG, don't let that Russian guy see this

why oh why oh why oh why

In Russia you no brake muzzle.....muzzle break you!!!

That Mosin brake is just wrong!.As for recoil you ought to try 100+ rounds of 54r out of a Dragunov, they are a lot lighter than you'd think and they have a lovely muzzle brake.

snayperskaya wrote:

Charlotte the flyer wrote:OMG, don't let that Russian guy see this

why oh why oh why oh why

In Russia you no brake muzzle.....muzzle break you!!!

That Mosin brake is just wrong!.As for recoil you ought to try 100+ rounds of 54r out of a Dragunov, they are a lot lighter than you'd think and they have a lovely muzzle brake.

Ha, last time I saw that was on a 25pdr..... clapclap

Stock design makes a huge difference in perceived recoil, I had an old Parker hale in 308 that kicked like an angry mule, but side by side of the identical rifle, in a different stock, the other was a dream to shoot, still a push, but it wasn't smashing into your cheek each time. My .444 marlin has a good thump to it, fine on open sights, where you have a good cheek weld, pop the scope on so you need to lift off the stock and it hurts like hell, and prone, forget it