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It don't mean they won't either.

All this sending in FACs and stuff for variations, I can't help thinking there has to be a way of simplifying the whole process. Maybe they should be looking at ways of simplifying and streamlining the process instead of looking for more money in order to keep what is clearly an inefficient way of doing it. Lets face it, some of the turn around times I read on here are horrendous. If you have a rifle for sale and a buyer then later want to buy a new one, how does that work? What is the current procedures for doing it?

Blu

FritztheMoose wrote:

meles meles wrote:If the Warwickshire PCC gets his way...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-co ... e-27031957

How do we make this esteemed functionary understand that the shooter doesn't benefit from the licence, the general public do, thus they ought to bear the costs...

you need one of those for every gun or you apply for a license for lets say 5 or 10 or 20?

Once you have your certificate in theory there is no limit to the number of guns you can own, you just have to be able to store them securely and provide a 'good reason' for owning each one

Blu wrote:All this sending in FACs and stuff for variations, I can't help thinking there has to be a way of simplifying the whole process. Maybe they should be looking at ways of simplifying and streamlining the process instead of looking for more money in order to keep what is clearly an inefficient way of doing it. Lets face it, some of the turn around times I read on here are horrendous.

Blu

I totally agree, they need to look at the archaic system that clearly does not work when they keep asking for more money for something that ought to be fairly simple.

Mark (or anbody) "and provide a 'good reason' for owning each one"

Is that just an initial thing or do you have to do that every time you say sell a rifle and buy a new one even if it the same calibre but a different make/model. I'm just trying to understand here how it works.

Blu

Usually when you apply for your first certificate or renew a certificate you ask for arguments sake four rifles in .303 .308 .38 special . 22 you state that you want to use them for target shooting and provide your main club were you will use your firearms.
If you sell one you can replace it for the same calibre for target shooting. But first you have to let them know you have sold one using the correct paperwork then you have to send in your certificate to be altered/varied so you can acquire the new firearm.
You can ask for extra slots to be added to the certificate but you have to pay for them and have adequate security. I have never had my purpose for using them for target shooting queried only that my security is adequate. I was asked to remove two slots because my security was only deemed to be OK for 12 rifles. I had to drop from 14 to 12. Its a crazy system but we are stuck with it.

Alpha1 wrote:Usually when you apply for your first certificate or renew a certificate you ask for arguments sake four rifles in .303 .308 .38 special . 22 you state that you want to use them for target shooting and provide your main club were you will use your firearms.
If you sell one you can replace it for the same calibre for target shooting. But first you have to let them know you have sold one using the correct paperwork then you have to send in your certificate to be altered/varied so you can acquire the new firearm.
You can ask for extra slots to be added to the certificate but you have to pay for them and have adequate security. I have never had my purpose for using them for target shooting queried only that my security is adequate. I was asked to remove two slots because my security was only deemed to be OK for 12 rifles. I had to drop from 14 to 12. Its a crazy system but we are stuck with it.

I guess nearly nowhere its really good except for a few states in the US. But even those states get less and less. We are pretty lucky in Austria right now but who nows how long it will stay that way but I guess currently we have one of the most liberal gun laws in Europe

FritztheMoose wrote:

Alpha1 wrote:Usually when you apply for your first certificate or renew a certificate you ask for arguments sake four rifles in .303 .308 .38 special . 22 you state that you want to use them for target shooting and provide your main club were you will use your firearms.
If you sell one you can replace it for the same calibre for target shooting. But first you have to let them know you have sold one using the correct paperwork then you have to send in your certificate to be altered/varied so you can acquire the new firearm.
You can ask for extra slots to be added to the certificate but you have to pay for them and have adequate security. I have never had my purpose for using them for target shooting queried only that my security is adequate. I was asked to remove two slots because my security was only deemed to be OK for 12 rifles. I had to drop from 14 to 12. Its a crazy system but we are stuck with it.

I guess nearly nowhere its really good except for a few states in the US. But even those states get less and less. We are pretty lucky in Austria right now but who nows how long it will stay that way but I guess currently we have one of the most liberal gun laws in Europe

FritztheMoose, sorry mate I have to disagree, fortunately we have more pro gun States over here than anti and the laws in them are by and far pretty good.

Blu

Blu wrote:

FritztheMoose wrote:

Alpha1 wrote:Usually when you apply for your first certificate or renew a certificate you ask for arguments sake four rifles in .303 .308 .38 special . 22 you state that you want to use them for target shooting and provide your main club were you will use your firearms.
If you sell one you can replace it for the same calibre for target shooting. But first you have to let them know you have sold one using the correct paperwork then you have to send in your certificate to be altered/varied so you can acquire the new firearm.
You can ask for extra slots to be added to the certificate but you have to pay for them and have adequate security. I have never had my purpose for using them for target shooting queried only that my security is adequate. I was asked to remove two slots because my security was only deemed to be OK for 12 rifles. I had to drop from 14 to 12. Its a crazy system but we are stuck with it.

I guess nearly nowhere its really good except for a few states in the US. But even those states get less and less. We are pretty lucky in Austria right now but who nows how long it will stay that way but I guess currently we have one of the most liberal gun laws in Europe

FritztheMoose, sorry mate I have to disagree, fortunately we have more pro gun States over here than anti and the laws in them are by and far pretty good.

Blu

the US is for sure one of the best places or even the best when it comes to shooting. However, the gras is not always greener on the other side. Used to live in the US for 3 years. My experience is that many of the pro gun states are in fly over territory or in no job territory. I am not familiar with all the states but many good job states have terrible gun laws by far worse than for example many states in europe.

Blu wrote:
FritztheMoose, sorry mate I have to disagree, fortunately we have more pro gun States over here than anti and the laws in them are by and far pretty good.

Blu

Vermont being one of them as far as I know. Right to carry?