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Pete wrote:I think a lot more would try their luck, including the mentally unstable, if they could easily and cheaply get hold of a pistol..........
Anyway, if you yo'all think the american way is so good, why not re-locate? Plenty of space over there..........

Pete

Now why didn't I think of that? Oh wait! I did.

Pete wrote:Because most of those carrying wouldn't have the faintest idea how to effectively use their 9mm Hi-Power/AR 15 or whatever.......................they'd get one because it was cool/their mates had one/they always wanted to be a soldier/they had a small dick.........

Pete

It could in theory be done in such a way that anyone applying for a concealed carry permit would be required to undergo a training course.

Out of curiosity are there any stats regarding the size of pre-'97 Hi-Power owners dicks?.

Fedaykin wrote:Frankly your argument is paranoid, normal people going about their lives shouldn't need to spend their time preparing for a 'what-if' scenario.

You're right, they absolutely should not have to.
Unfortunately we live in a country where life appears to be cheap to a growing number of criminals.

I live in a pretty small market town. Last year a friend was mugged for his phone and whatever money he had left from a night in the pub. To get his old 'smart' phone and chump change they gave him a bloody good kicking and a boot to the head when he was down.
That latter spiteful kick could have killed him.
They just don't care any more. You only have to look at the rise in knife crime to see that.
A regular person in the street is easy meat to a couple of thugs with no restraint. They wander among us without much fear of getting caught - and rightly so given the cuts in policing resources. Sentencing isn't much of a deterrent either - chopped in half to accommodate logistical problems with overcrowded prisons.

Right to Bear Arms, absolutely, bring it back.

Introduce courses where one is trained to defend oneself and others and make sure carrying is suitable for that person.
They do it with FAC/SGC, why not RTBA.

More guns, less victims. Simple.

This is not a dick thing, I do not have one, gun crime is NOT committed by law-abiding citizens.

christel wrote:Right to Bear Arms, absolutely, bring it back.

Introduce courses where one is trained to defend oneself and others and make sure carrying is suitable for that person.
They do it with FAC/SGC, why not RTBA.

More guns, less victims. Simple.

This is not a dick thing, I do not have one, gun crime is NOT committed by law-abiding citizens.

snayperskaya wrote:

Pete wrote:Because most of those carrying wouldn't have the faintest idea how to effectively use their 9mm Hi-Power/AR 15 or whatever.......................they'd get one because it was cool/their mates had one/they always wanted to be a soldier/they had a small dick.........

Pete

It could in theory be done in such a way that anyone applying for a concealed carry permit would be required to undergo a training course.

Out of curiosity are there any stats regarding the size of pre-'97 Hi-Power owners dicks?.

Well I never had any complaints................

Pete

Sim G wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:Frankly your argument is paranoid, normal people going about their lives shouldn't need to spend their time preparing for a 'what-if' scenario.

You have buildings and contents insurance?

I wear a seatbelt when i get in a car, not because there's a slim possibility of a fine if i don't, but because i know it gives me a CHANCE to survive a crash. I have a fire extinguisher in my garage and next to my kitchen as they give me a CHANCE to save my car/house should a fire start, etc etc etc. I would like to be able to carry pepper spray/a tazer/firearm to give me a CHANCE to defend my well-being/life should I be in a situation serious enough to call for them.

I have never <touches wood> had a house fire, I have only been in one car crash where a seatbelt was required to help protect me. I've been in three situations that i can think of where either my life or someone elses was being threatened and I or the other person would have come off significantly better off had I had a proper means of defence to hand.

Not sure if i'm paranoid or just have a small d!ck.

Frankly, as soon as the knob size/rambo/paranoid comments come out, i know the other person has lost any credibility to their position they had.

Dark Skies wrote:

Fedaykin wrote:Frankly your argument is paranoid, normal people going about their lives shouldn't need to spend their time preparing for a 'what-if' scenario.

You're right, they absolutely should not have to.
Unfortunately we live in a country where life appears to be cheap to a growing number of criminals.

I live in a pretty small market town. Last year a friend was mugged for his phone and whatever money he had left from a night in the pub. To get his old 'smart' phone and chump change they gave him a bloody good kicking and a boot to the head when he was down.
That latter spiteful kick could have killed him.
They just don't care any more. You only have to look at the rise in knife crime to see that.
A regular person in the street is easy meat to a couple of thugs with no restraint. They wander among us without much fear of getting caught - and rightly so given the cuts in policing resources. Sentencing isn't much of a deterrent either - chopped in half to accommodate logistical problems with overcrowded prisons.

I agree with you that violence is around, however would being armed have helped your friend?
if you are caught by surprise than a pistol is of little help, there have been numerous incidents over the years that show being armed doesn't help if you are unaware of the threat.

Same goes with being hit by a bus, can't prevent it if you do not know it is coming.

However, person goes into a cafe where you are drinking your coffee, starts shouting and pulls a gun/machete, I am pretty sure if you are trained then you will be very quick to get the gun out and stop the idiot.

christel wrote:Same goes with being hit by a bus, can't prevent it if you do not know it is coming.

However, person goes into a cafe where you are drinking your coffee, starts shouting and pulls a gun/machete, I am pretty sure if you are trained then you will be very quick to get the gun out and stop the idiot.

I do wonder if violent crime/robbery with violence figures would drop if concealed carry permits were allowed?, as there would be an element of the "are they or aren't they" scenario that may put a lot of potential criminals off trying it on.

Perhaps Froggy could give an idea of the situation in the Czech Republic, where it is permitted.

Edit.....just found this, Prague compared to London

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_ci ... ty2=Prague