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Sim G wrote:As long as it’s a quality bullet. Personally I have not found PPU to be so, in several calibers. Their brass I’ve found good, but the only advantage to their billets is a price point.

I use them regularly to 600 yds, I find the only difference between them and the GP11 is the POI as I don't push the edges in my powder charges and the BC is different anyway as they are not an exact copy.
for a 3MOA service rifle fired off an elbow with battle sights I really would be amazed if anyone could tell the difference at that range, they also work at 1000 yds but I save my GP11 for that anyway.

For a 3 MOA service rifle and battle sighs, it could make all the difference. Miss the black or even the board completely, using poor quality bullets means you’re never sure if your skills or the bullet caused that. Consistency is the mantra and at those longer distances is where it matters. That’s all considering if accuracy is the intention or just a by-product of the experience.

Sim G wrote:For a 3 MOA service rifle and battle sighs, it could make all the difference. Miss the black or even the board completely, using poor quality bullets means you’re never sure if your skills or the bullet caused that. Consistency is the mantra and at those longer distances is where it matters. That’s all considering if accuracy is the intention or just a by-product of the experience.

that hasnt been my experience, and I think you are overstating the inaccuracy of PPU bullets, if I wasnt hitting the black at 600 yds I would be very worried, however as that has never been an issue I will remain using the same old PPU bullets (and should I start to wory I can change to GP11 to check)

I have used the ppu bullets out to a thousand without a problem.

This is a 300 yard plot from last year.

I have also found PPU bullets to be absolutely fine for this calibre. Mostly 100 - 300 yards though.

kennyc wrote:... and I think you are overstating the inaccuracy of PPU bullets...

No, I don't think I am. I don't shoot surplus rifles either, except for a No5 now and again. In the five rifles that I do shoot for accuracy, four for targets and one for game, the .224, 7mm and .30 cal PPU bullets I've used didn't come close to Sierra, Nosler or Hornady.

Sim G wrote:

kennyc wrote:... and I think you are overstating the inaccuracy of PPU bullets...

No, I don't think I am. I don't shoot surplus rifles either, except for a No5 now and again. In the five rifles that I do shoot for accuracy, four for targets and one for game, the .224, 7mm and .30 cal PPU bullets I've used didn't come close to Sierra, Nosler or Hornady.

and there we have it ! sorry but you are trying to compare target rifles and Surplus military rifles whilst ignoring the basics, 3 MOA is a good general standard for a military rifle, some will do better a lot worse, whats a similar standard for your target rifles?
I could load my K31 with top of the line target bullets or PPU, the observed effect on a target when fired free hand standing, or off an elbow with the supplied sights is going to be the thin end of "F" all, the financial difference on the other hand would allow considerably more practise for the same cost, and that would have an effect on the accuracy of my shooting
I'm not suggesting PPU as a precision target bullet (although there was a member on here who found PPU shot as well as SMK in his CSR rifle at a considerable cost saving ,especially considering the amount he shot ) I am however suggesting that in 10 years of use I have been perfectly happy with them as a substitute for the swiss service ammo (which has a worldwide reputation as a consistant "match quality" ammo )

when I first tried PPU bullets I weighed each one and miked each one, soon got sick of that, they were all exactly the same, which is all you can ask of a bullet.

This is with privi 155gr match in my match rifle at 900 yards. Note that I don't do much shooting beyond 100 yards and this is with aperture sights, jacket and sling, so the shots not in the "V" are down to me.

kennyc wrote:and there we have it ! sorry but you are trying to compare target rifles and Surplus military rifles whilst ignoring the basics,

No, I am not comparing target rifles to surplus rifles. The comparison is bullets. I made the suggestion that the bullet used in the K31 should be a quality bullet. That’s it. And it’s based on trying different budget bullets against others, with all other things being equal.

Given that the K31 is regarded as an astonishingly accurate service rifle, with testimony all over the Internet, perhaps you should try a better bullet. Nothing I’ve read so far puts the K31 as a 3 MOA rifle.