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Are granddad rights being given to holders of such firearms?

Nope, they are working out the details of the compensation scheme and the surrender date as we speak.

bradaz11 wrote:

Pippin89 wrote:Ah ok now it makes sense.... so it seems MARS action were a way around the semi auto laws and made something almost as quick in larger calibre. This law is outlawing those weapons. Makes sense now. Thanks!!

no, they were a design of firearm that met with the current laws. the speed of their operation is not great and they are not designed to be fast.
they are not weapons, they are firearms.
glad that a lot of us loosing our lawfully held property makes sense to you

What he said ^

Calling all engineers........
Two levers, one to load and one to extract. The extract lever also operates the loading lever of the next round.
Sorted

problem is gazza, because you now can't use gas to do anything, how are these levers able to do anything? you could put a dirty great big spring holding the bolt closed, to make the lever shut the bolt, but how do you open it?
same as a spring holding it open, what do you do to close it? motorise it? add on a co2 bottle to toggle the bolt open and closed with an arduino equipped triger?
the only thing you might be able to do is use some sort of recoil operated mech, but recoil is a product of the gas, as no gas, no bullet out barrel, and that means no recoil. Depends how pedantic they are on whether it is gas or not.
fire - reset - fire type rail guns are still legal though, so that's something... just need to get the tech to work :)

I think this just means we need a better design of straightpull, maybe one that has a trigger on the cocking piece.

Minimal electronics and a solenoid/s should cover it. No gas at all and you could even have a push button and not a lever.
A push/pull solenoid in the action and a 9v battery up the pistol grip. Push button on the front furniture
I'm making this up as I type so its probably bollox

actually, thinking about this, get some highspeed linear actuator (LA) or air ram could work.... imagine the front of the bolt is exactly the same, firing pin etc. but add it to the end of a piston... rest of the ram or LA goes in the buffer tube. you fire, gun shoots. you press switch near trigger, it drives to then retract bolt, extracts case in normal way, reaches end microswitch, then drives straight forward again, stripping round off mag, and loading into breech. where trigger is then used to fire normally again.
no propellant gas used, might not even need to lock the breech
you'd need a power source of some sort though

Gazza wrote:Minimal electronics and a solenoid/s should cover it. No gas at all and you could even have a push button and not a lever.
A push/pull solenoid in the action and a 9v battery up the pistol grip. Push button on the front furniture
I'm making this up as I type so its probably bollox

interesting, so you're more thinking recoil op, but no recoil from the gun, you use a whack from a solenoid?

I'm sure its doable
The people that bring these laws in really don't consult the right people do they (thankfully)

Push/pull Solenoid in buffer tube activated by switch. One press solenoid goes back to extract case then another push loads next round.
Trigger fires then start again.

That would be quite fast firing actually.
Press, press, bang