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Alpha1 - cart before the horse, I think not. 40 years as a Project Director has taught me that it is never too early to plan for the future and those plans shape decision making and ergo how you evolve through whatever development process you are undertaking, that's just my opinion.

There seems to be the continued creeping invasive restrictions being implemented by firearms certification departments. This is being encouraged by shooters who should be putting the certification departments right by challenging their right to make up the law and not being complicit with the departments in implementing back door regulations that have no basis in law.

There is no requirement to show your round count, all that is required is that you demonstrate that you are shooting your rifle regularly and the club range attendance logs that you complete every time you attend proves this.

The fact that you have hand loading equipment is sufficient evidence that you hand load ammunition.

Also there is no such thing as bullet heads, this is sloppy nomenclature and is potentially dangerous, the head is the base of the case what part is the bullet head? Perpetrating the folly and deliberate ignorance of some shooting retailers helps no-one and just leads to a lackadaisical attitude to hand loading which is a dangerous and irresponsible approach to the subject.

Dunc wrote:In addition, my FEO is keen to see that I continue to have a reason to have my firearms so I keep records of bullets and powder that I buy. Not that hard really and when it comes to renewal time and there's no ammo purchase entries for certain calibres on my old FAC, I can still provide evidence of 'usage'.

Not a regulation of course.....

Club shooting records? Fill them in religiously every time you shoot and there's all the proof / evidence you need.
The only factory ammo I buy these days is .22LR and for the rest of my toys I reload.

Regards ... LL

Absolutely frustrating that the firearms departments are introducing restrictions/rules/stipulations that have no basis in the law.

Who is confused

A decision maker wakes up one morning and decides that from now on this and that has to be implemented. For the "safety of the public".

In other words, what can we do to make life more difficult for shooters so that in the end it is only a hard core of shooters that is left and at that point it will be argued that there is no reason for anyone to have guns as there are so few of us left.

So...once one has an FAC/SGC, make some noise and do not accept this

One important factor is you can only lawfully hold a maximum of 15kgs of reloading powder/black powder/primers/loaded ammunition based on the powder/explosive content. What this means is holding the full 15kgs of powder means you cannot hold primers as you would exceed your 15kg limit. Apply this to all loaded firearm cartridges including rim-fire and don't forget any shotgun cartridges you have lying around.

Also your powders should be stored in an approved wooden container with individual compartments, having said this mine has only ever been checked once.

You can lawfully hold more than 15kgs however you will need a licence for whatever is stored.

Ovenpaa, I thought it was only black powder that had to be in the wooden box, although not being 100% certain is why I raised it.

Plumose wrote:Ovenpaa, I thought it was only black powder that had to be in the wooden box, although not being 100% certain is why I raised it.

I have read and heard conflicting reports on this and the Bedfordshire FEO seemed to prefer all powders being secured in a wooden box so I continued the practice on when we moved to the Wolds. Primers and loaded ammunition should not be stored in the box for obvious reasons and you should never store primers in a steel container.

My powders are stored in a large lockable wooden box painted red with 'EXPLOSIVES' in big letters on the top, ammunition stops in some robust dedicated steel safes, primers sit on a shelf with a lip to stop things falling/getting knocked off. Shotgun cartridges are in multiple locations around the Armoury and workshop and even in an old Swiss gas mask bag ready to go in the morning.

Conflicting reports sounds about right for anything to do with licensing

Plumose wrote:Ovenpaa, I thought it was only black powder that had to be in the wooden box, although not being 100% certain is why I raised it.

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http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/priced/l150.pdf

Excellent response from all, got what I wanted thank you