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bradaz11 wrote:the one thing I have made totally clear is to keep the police well away. If they are locked up and the police are happy with her being in the house with them alone while i'm alive, what changes in the short term the second I die? it's not as if she suddenly gets all my inventory like in a game, and so my keys pop into her hands. no, they can wait and have the RFD collect and sell.

Some people keep their keys on their person (I used to, now in a safe) so the difference in the polices mind is that anyone can now take possession of the keys as you're not alive to stop them.

Blackstuff wrote:

bradaz11 wrote:the one thing I have made totally clear is to keep the police well away. If they are locked up and the police are happy with her being in the house with them alone while i'm alive, what changes in the short term the second I die? it's not as if she suddenly gets all my inventory like in a game, and so my keys pop into her hands. no, they can wait and have the RFD collect and sell.

Some people keep their keys on their person (I used to, now in a safe) so the difference in the polices mind is that anyone can now take possession of the keys as you're not alive to stop them.

so do these ppl who have them on their person, take them into the shower with them?

Would giving your key location to a fellow FAC holder be an issue?

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bradaz11 wrote:

Blackstuff wrote:

bradaz11 wrote:the one thing I have made totally clear is to keep the police well away. If they are locked up and the police are happy with her being in the house with them alone while i'm alive, what changes in the short term the second I die? it's not as if she suddenly gets all my inventory like in a game, and so my keys pop into her hands. no, they can wait and have the RFD collect and sell.

Some people keep their keys on their person (I used to, now in a safe) so the difference in the polices mind is that anyone can now take possession of the keys as you're not alive to stop them.

so do these ppl who have them on their person, take them into the shower with them?

I've done this discussion to death (no pun intended) with people who claim they keep them on themselves 'at all times', I even had one bloke on the Pigeon Watch forum claim he's got a hook in his bathroom that he puts them on when he goes in the bath/shower and locks the door so his missus can't get in! Washing aside, I also asked about what happens when they go to sleep? What happens if some else in the house wakes up in the middle of the night etc etc. I never got an answer to that

Personally when I used to keep them on my person rather than locked away I took the view that short term periods of them not being in my direct control i.e. sleeping and washing etc, but hidden in a drawer/my wife not knowing where they were was 'reasonable'. I doubt the same could be said for a persons keys being left in a drawer when they're dead.

After considering the benefits of having them on your person against the potential problems I switched to keeping them in safes. AFAIK my police force have no issues with you keeping them on your person though.

My ha'penny's worth:

It's all about communication. Apart from the issue of the keys, you need to ensure your wife/partner knows about your guns.

Apart from general stuff, I have a No4(T), a No4 Trials rifle and an M1 carbine. My partner is aware of which rifle is which and a rough idea of value. She also knows what goes with what, eg the transit chest, spotting scope, telescopic sight and case, etc. I have given her a list of the accessories, spares and values of everything else as well. For the more valuable stuff, I have given her details of an RFD to contact to handle any sales.
Why? Well I ended up with the No4(T) after being asked for my opinion on it after it's previous owner drowned. It was being disposed of as a 303 Lee Enfield with a scope as the owner's widow (and the local RFD who it was lodged with) had no idea of what it actually was. If I wasn't honest, I could have walked away with it for around £500.
I also bought a Ruger Old Army from a dealer disposing of guns from an estate. It had a wooden customised grip fitted - which didn't fit me - and nothing else. I assume that the original grips, nipple key and possibly the case were somewhere in his house and probably got thrown out with other assorted junk.
I decided that when I go, that wasn't going to happen with my guns. My ROA will go with all the spares associated with it, as will my other guns.

Donald

My executor has a copy of my FAC the contact details of an RFD and two friends who can help answer any questions, deal with primers, powder, bullets etc. There is a list of what I paid for the guns, the bits and pieces that go with them and how to apply for a permit to keep. I've also explained Sec 58 to him and shown him where the Sec 58s are and he has been told on NO ACCOUNT are the Police to touch the Sec 58s. Bar a few bequests the whole lot is to go to auction. As to the location of the keys that is in a sealed envelope hidden in my house but he knows where to find it. I recently had a bit of a health scare so am going to try and get rid of all the shooting 'clutter' I've accumulated over the years and just keep what I can still use and enjoy using.

Robert303 wrote:My executor has a copy of my FAC the contact details of an RFD and two friends who can help answer any questions, deal with primers, powder, bullets etc. There is a list of what I paid for the guns, the bits and pieces that go with them and how to apply for a permit to keep. I've also explained Sec 58 to him and shown him where the Sec 58s are and he has been told on NO ACCOUNT are the Police to touch the Sec 58s. Bar a few bequests the whole lot is to go to auction. As to the location of the keys that is in a sealed envelope hidden in my house but he knows where to find it. I recently had a bit of a health scare so am going to try and get rid of all the shooting 'clutter' I've accumulated over the years and just keep what I can still use and enjoy using.

That's the best way to do it, with one suggestion for improvement. Leave the sealed letter with your will at the solicitors, to be opened by your executor upon your death.

Interesting as I am in the process of redoing my will. Can you leave shotguns/firearms in your will to a friend who is a current licence/certificate holder??

Good idea to make a list of ALL equipment and the costs you paid for individual items and leave it with the will.

Just don't let your missus see the list if its got prices on!