Recrowning Rem 700 police

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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#11 Post by John25 »

Take it to a smith, he will do it much better than you or I could.
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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#12 Post by Sandgroper »

TattooedGun wrote:Ah I see! I thought the cutter you linked to was the one you were waiting for.

No sweat! I'm sure the pilots do not come cheap!

did you deburr at all?
Pilots $26-$36 http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=1829 ... ASS-PILOTS

I was going to deburr, but there was no need in the end as it did a really good job.

The one calibre set cost $136.28 plus the £20 odd to clear Customs and Parcel Force.
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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#13 Post by TattooedGun »

John25 wrote:Take it to a smith, he will do it much better than you or I could.
All I'm thinking when I read this is... "Nah, don't bother trying to learn something new, just pay someone else to do something you could get the tools and knowledge to learn to do yourself for the rest of your life!"

If I thought like that all my life I'd be spending 5 times as much on servicing my car, 5 times as much buying ammo for my rifles, 5 times as much getting someone else to setup and tune my guitars for me... Heck any hobby I've ever had I'd be paying over the odds!
Fair enough if it was something that was going to be dangerous to do, then it's worth thinking about taking it to someone who does it for a living. But I don't think trimming a bit of metal off a tube accurately is out of the reach of my skillset, especially when the tools of the trade are readily available with video tuition available online as to how to use them!

This is specifically why I asked people NOT to suggest taking it to a smith in my OP.

Sandgroper! I really appreciate your input mate, and your results look spot on, especially as the crown has not yet been angled! I may take you up on your offer of borrowing the tools yet! But like I say, having the tools in my toolkit might be something handy to have for future reference, especially as pilots for different gauges are not overly expensive! But thanks for the offer!

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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#14 Post by Sandgroper »

TG,
Your thoughts mirrored mine when I took the plunge to modify my Winchester and buy the tools required. I can now do the basics and like the reloading it makes me just a little bit more connected to my shooting. I'll never have the skills that Ovenpaa and others have to work metal, but I'm happy to work within my skill level.

Just PM if you want to borrow them.
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#15 Post by sanselm »

With all due respect you are missing the point, it is also nothing to do with being a dangerous task, far from it. However on your first post you correctly stated that the crown is critical to the accuracy of the rifle. Why do you think gunsmiths take the time to clock the barrel in the lathe to high levels of accuracy? If the crown is to be say a 11 degree crown then the barrel would have to be clocked up in the lathe to the bore not the outside to approx 0.0002". A recessed crown that is cut square to the bore as favoured by the benchrest community still needs the barrel clocking up to well under a thou at both ends to ensure that you are cutting it perpendicular to the bore. All this means that the task is about tools and what you have available to you. You are right to want to do as much as you can yourself but I would suggest doing the jobs that require patience and readily available hand tools as that is where you will save the money on Gunsmithing.
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#16 Post by Gun Pimp »

sanselm wrote:With all due respect you are missing the point, it is also nothing to do with being a dangerous task, far from it. However on your first post you correctly stated that the crown is critical to the accuracy of the rifle. Why do you think gunsmiths take the time to clock the barrel in the lathe to high levels of accuracy? If the crown is to be say a 11 degree crown then the barrel would have to be clocked up in the lathe to the bore not the outside to approx 0.0002". A recessed crown that is cut square to the bore as favoured by the benchrest community still needs the barrel clocking up to well under a thou at both ends to ensure that you are cutting it perpendicular to the bore. All this means that the task is about tools and what you have available to you. You are right to want to do as much as you can yourself but I would suggest doing the jobs that require patience and readily available hand tools as that is where you will save the money on Gunsmithing.

Couldn't have put it better!
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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#17 Post by John25 »

It is possible, if I bought a decent lathe, that I could, with lots of practice, shortened barrels and lots of time, time, crown my own rifles if they needed it.

So could anyone.

What is my time worth per hour?

How much is a 'decent' lathe?

I wouldn't use something which just clamps on to my barrel.

Me? I can find better things to do and less expensive ways to learns new skills. How many times will I need to use these skills? Unless I sell them, once or twice.

Stuart is right (he is also an excellent smith and knows what he is talking about)

Take the easy (best IMO) route.

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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#18 Post by Sandgroper »

Each to their own - I'm very happy with the results I achieved and wouldn't hesitate to do it again. In fact the cutter to recess the crown has cleared customs today - so I will be doing it again.
I wouldn't use something which just clamps on to my barrel.
Neither would I and I didn't. The brass pilot goes into the bore to enable the cutter to square the face with the bore. Are the tolerances as close as a 'smith would achieve? No, but they're good enough for my shooting and my rifles.

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#19 Post by John25 »

Fair enough.

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Re: Recrowning Rem 700 police

#20 Post by Sandgroper »

John25 wrote:Fair enough.

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Likewise! :good: :cheers:
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